Real Organic Podcast | Bonus Episode:
Project Drawdown and Regeneration with Paul Hawken

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.


Paul Hawken: “To put it simply, no one is coming to help. There is not a brain trust that’s going to figure it out, work out the problems while we ponder and wait. The most complex, radical climate technology on Earth, is the human heart and mind, not a solar panel.”

Dave Chapman: So, Paul, welcome.

Paul Hawken: Oh, thank you so much. I’m happy to be here.

Dave Chapman: Well, let’s take the next step then from Natural Capitalism to Drawdown. What was that evolution for you?

Paul Hawken: That evolution, it started in 2001. And I was always an environmental writer and grew up in the Sierra Club and around, you know. So I kind of thought everybody was an environmentalist. You know, until I moved out of Berkeley.

And I knew I didn’t know much about climate. And so I was really so impressed by Al Gore’s book Earth in the Balance And Bill McKibben’s The End of Nature and Jim Hansen’s work. And I thought we had some really bright, smart people. We do, and they are and were.

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